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This article probably won’t make much sense to the fortunate readers who do not attend Cedarville University. However, I believe that conservative Christianity’s obsession with female modesty is oppressive and therefore I’m reposting my article here. I will also post a response from Dannah Gresh, the conservative co-author of Lies Women Believe.
Here’s the article:
First, a disclaimer: I am not overly concerned with the issue of modesty. I do not get up in the morning and worry about the tightness of my jeans and T-shirts because I find tight clothing uncomfortable, and therefore I do not wear it. I do not see myself as temptation on two legs (it’s an objectifying concept, and after all I am a feminist). Yet according to the men of Sanctify Ministries’ Modesty Panel, that is exactly what I am: temptation.
I find the very idea of an all-male Modesty Panel offensive. To me, it reeks of the morality police I read about in Saudi Arabia and Iran. But in the interests of fairness and yes, curiosity, I gave the Modesty Panel a try. I submitted four questions for the men and attended the Panel’s meeting on March 12th to hear their answers.
Although my particular questions were not answered, I received great insight into the mind of the typical Cedarville male. Since I have a teenage brother and graduated from a public high school, much of what was said came as no shock. It was the ideology behind the women’s questions and the men’s answers that I found truly shocking.
I’m not sure what to call this ideology. It goes beyond simple sexism, since the men claim that they are trying to respect women. But it certainly contains elements of sexism. There is no other reason for a group of men to feel that they have the righteous authority to tell a group of women how to dress. Clothe the sexism in religion, and it becomes even more insidious.
“We’re not trying to tell you what to do,” was a phrase repeated many times throughout the Panel. But when a religious man tells an equally religious woman that if she wears a particular piece of clothing it will force him to envision her naked, that is as good as a command.
The questions ran the gamut of the female wardrobe. From skinny jeans to wedding dresses, no article of clothing was left undiscussed. And the men were more than happy to offer their candid opinions. “Don’t wear those pajama bottoms to Chucks, girls, because if you do that it makes boys think about bed, and that makes them think about sex.” “Be careful how you sit, because sitting a certain way makes you look easy.”
The responsibility of modest behavior was put completely on women. In a subculture that reveres male headship, this is ironic. We women are told that men are our divinely ordained leaders–just don’t expect them to control their thoughts around an errant bra strap.
I believe this double standard is best illustrated by the conversation I had shortly before the Panel began. A male student stated that relaxing the dress code to include jeans would encourage women to dress immodestly. “I shouldn’t have to look at that!” he complained. When I asked him why he was looking at women like that anyway, he stared at me and exclaimed “That’s just how we’re wired!”
That is a cop-out. It is the coward’s response to a personal problem that he is not willing to confront. Should we excuse the alcoholic because that’s how she’s wired? The pedophile and the murderer are not excused for their crimes because of some genetic predisposition. Any student of psychology can tell you that some criminals are predisposed to criminal behavior. But this is the bottom line: we still send those criminals to jail. We still hold them responsible for their actions.
Modesty goes both ways. Women have a responsibility to themselves and to their male peers to refrain from dressing like sex objects. However, even if a woman fails this responsibility, men have a responsibility to respect her as a human being. They do not have that duty simply because they are men, but because they are human beings and women are their equals. And if a man can’t look at a woman in pajamas without thinking about sex, the problem is probably not with the woman’s pajamas.
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Very well said!
Comment by Mel Morgan June 10, 2009 @ 1:31 am“This article probably won’t make much sense to the fortunate readers who do not attend Cedarville University.”
For a writer, you do not watch your words very carefully. You have just stated that a “fortunate reader” does not attend Cedarville University, so I must ask, why do you? Are your parents forcing you? Will they only pay for college if you go to Cedarville? It is not because it is cheap, OH NO! It is clearly not because you like the rules here, that is obvious without proof. So why? Maybe a slip of words?
“I believe that conservative Christianity’s obsession with female modesty is oppressive and therefore I’m reposting my article here.”
Do you believe the Bible is oppressive? It does not allow you to do many other things as well. Why would you want to wear anything other deem immodest anyway? Do you wear low necklines and then complain that you are cold? Probably, so it is not for practicality. Do you obey Cedarville’s modesty rules so you can tell Jesus that you obeyed your authorities on earth? or do you not obey them because you believe God’s Word tells you to dress immodestly? What I am aiming at is a question, to which I have asked many and not gotten much of a reason, even after giving them time for thought. Why would you want to dress immodestly anyway? It is impractical most places (and places where it is practical is no excuse), it is not cute, and it does not look nice. It looks immodest! It looks like something I would not let a daughter of mine buy because I have unsaved friends, I know what they are like! I have an unsaved friend who drove to the beach every weekend this summer and ended up in a different hotel room every night! Would you be worried about modesty in front of him? Would you care if you put a wall in front of him getting saved?
Comment by Nick Kerner November 22, 2009 @ 4:56 am1. I am agnostic.
2. I pity any daughter of yours.
The point is that men have no say in how women dress. Furthermore, I find it interesting that you equate conservtive Christianity with the Bible. From what I’ve seen, conservatives only follow the parts of the Bible that justify discrimination against people they don’t like.
Comment by axisone November 22, 2009 @ 12:13 pm“The point is that men have no say in how women dress.”
Apparently a few women are offended by immodesty and seem to want a say in how women dress, and you have ignored them. These are the women that went to the modesty panel, and didn’t plan on writing an article bashing it. They went to hear input from men so that they could dress modestly. They merely wanted to know what the men thought. The men did not say, you need to dress like this, from what I have heard (every attendee that I have come into contact with except for you) they merely said what could cause them to stumble. Why would the women care what would cause men to stumble? Because they love them.
Conservative Christians are supposed to love everyone, loving them includes holding them close to ourselves AND letting them know when we think they are not in accordance with the Bible. Also, have you ever witnessed someone trip flat on their face? Walking should be easy, but apparently people fail, and somebody trips every day!
It is also interesting to note that you pity any daughter of mine. You may have noticed in friends of yours (as I have in friends of mine), or in the results of national studies, such as one listed in the response to your article, that immodesty leads to depression, psychological and eating disorders, and sexual immorality. I pity anyone (gender indiscriminate) not protected from these things, if their parents could have protected them and did not, they are terrible parents.
I addition, I would like to make the following statement, which I do NOT agree with:
“Women have no say in how men should dress.”
Or maybe these:
“Women have no say in how men should think.”
“Women have no say in how men should act.”
You may notice how things might start heading downhill if all women just ignored any problems in all these areas instead of giving encouragement to positive attributes.
Comment by Nick Kerner November 22, 2009 @ 9:29 pm